the message has to be america can be richer and shinier. debt reduction has to be about renewal and prosperity, not pain and sacrifice. pat buchanan, if you agree with that, how do you do that? >> i don't agree with that at all. look, the deficit is enormous, $1.6 trillion. trillion dollar deficits as far as we can see. if you cut out social security entirely and did away with the defense budget desirely and really furloughed every soldier and civilian at the pentagon, you still wouldn't balance the budget. we're not going to be able to do this without serious pain. everybody knows it. i think if you're mature, you'll have to look at it that way. look it right in the face. >> it's a great lead, though. because he says, let's say you're a political consultant, sitting in your west hollywood bondage themed strip club, party donors picking up the tab. it's a terrific lead into it. but, of course, the real problem is, we are in a country where the citizens don't want to make any kind of sack figsacrifices. >> that is for sure. >> they don't wan